Tyler Axness 00:00

Look, I get that it's not Wednesday, it is in fact a Tuesday, and we've already screwed up somebody's schedule saying, oh, Law Talk, it must be Wednesday. It's not. It's Tuesday, and we had to make some arrangements because they've got day jobs, not just doing the free hour advice for you that you might need some criminal defense attorneys.

Tyler Axness 00:16

Bruce Ringstrom, Jr., Dane DeKrey in the studio. Thanks for coming on over, fellas.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 00:22

Glad to be here, Tyler.

Tyler Axness 00:22

Dane, you too?.

Dane DeKrey 00:25

Eh.

Tyler Axness 00:25

Yeah. Okay.

Dane DeKrey 00:26

No, I'm glad to be here. Of course, of course.

Tyler Axness 00:28

It's always a pleasure having you guys. And if you have any questions, now's the time, and game. This is Game Changer. We've got our phone lines back.

Tyler Axness 00:35

If you want to call in at 237-5948 or 1-800-880-5346, you can go ahead and do so. You can also text in at 35270 and get all your questions answered for you because you always have a pal that did something that might be a little stupid and they got answers for you.

Tyler Axness 00:54

But folks, I wanted to ask you to this question when it comes to juries because there's a couple of things. One in our backyard, one that's been now on a national display when it comes to a former president being convicted on 34 felony charges.

Tyler Axness 01:07

I want to start with the jury selection process and then we'll get to what happens if somebody tries to tamper with the jury because it seems like a logical way to go about this. Bruce, I'll give this to you because we've now seen in New York where this whole very public process and last month when we talked, we were discussing about high profile clients.

Tyler Axness 01:26

You guys have had experience with that and all the ins and outs that come with that. But I'm curious because now since that jury has come down with a guilty verdict of the former president, you have people like North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum saying, well, the jury was all Democrats.

Tyler Axness 01:41

The jury was out to get him. He didn't get a fair trial. As a criminal defense attorney, what's the process from you when it comes to jury selection?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 01:49

Picking a jury is very often the most important part of a trial. The right jury will take seriously the evidence that you put in front of them. The wrong jury won't. Jury pools matter. So for example, if there's a very public case in Clay County or Cass County, the jury pool might be so particularly prejudiced that the defendant cannot get a fair trial there.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 02:14

I did not follow the trial in New York City, but certainly if you look at the demographics, it's likely that at least from a political perspective, the jury pool was less likely to be favorable to Donald Trump than somewhere else if they were in Texas or any number of other places.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 02:32

But that's separate from jury selection as a whole. The questions, the inquiries are such that what you are trying to do is find the prospect of jurors who would not be a good fit for your trial. It's actually a process of jury deselection.

Tyler Axness 02:51

So the question, the line of questioning is going to weed that out, I imagine. I imagine that the line of questioning, of course, is different in every trial, trying to deem, you know, I mean, do you, I guess, let me ask this, have you ever asked, hey, who'd you vote for in the last election?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 03:06

I've never asked anyone that, but I have come to learn that some attorneys do, in fact, ask that question. I always thought that was sort of verboten. You're just not allowed to ask that kind of question.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 03:16

But questions in jury selection can be extremely intimate and private. Things about people's sexual experiences or whether they've been victims of violence, whether they know anyone who's been imprisoned, whether they have thoughts and feelings about someone of a different race or background.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 03:31

Sometimes the questions get so intimate and so personal that a judge will have that prospective juror answer those questions in chambers, what's called in -camera, away from everybody else because it would be really hard to talk about things that you might not have even spoken with a therapist about.

Tyler Axness 03:50

We are having this conversation with a friend of mine, of course, about this verdict, and there was a moment that he was called to serve on a jury, and it was about a case that involved a driver who was impaired, got in a car accident that had injured somebody else.

Tyler Axness 04:07

And of course, he was going to be his own defense, and one of the questions was, have you known anybody, or have you or yourself been involved in an accident that involved someone that was drunk driving?

Tyler Axness 04:15

And he was shocked that it got to that level of detail, and of course, he did know at least three people, and he was quickly removed from the defense. The defense said, nope, we don't want that guy part of it.

Tyler Axness 04:26

I mean, that's pretty much how this works, right?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 04:28

Yes, it is. There's two ways to get rid of a prospective juror. You can move, well, I should say there's three ways. First, a judge will typically ask a series of basic questions. Do you live within the county or the jurisdiction?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 04:41

Are you eligible to vote? Are you eligible to actually be a juror? And then other questions, whether they have any particular reason why they absolutely could not serve on this jury. Do they, you know, are they related to the attorneys or the defendant or any of the main witnesses and things to that effect.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 04:59

Then when the attorneys start asking questions, they can make what's called a motion to strike for cause. If a, if a prospective juror says, I cannot be fair to this defendant or I cannot be fair to the government under any circumstances, even if the judge orders me to that juror will be struck for cause.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 05:18

Once all that's done, then at the end, that's when the attorneys play the game of what's called peremptory strikes. We can strike them for any reason at that point. We just don't like the way they look at our client or if they pause too long to answer a question about something that's deeply relevant to us, we can kick them off the jury.

Tyler Axness 05:35

Dane, have something to add to this?

Dane DeKrey 05:37

There's only one important caveat there is that you can't remove someone on a peremptory purely for an immutable trait. So like if they're black or if they're a woman, there's a Supreme Court case called Batson and that does not allow that to happen because back in the day in our storied history, particularly in the South, prosecutors mostly would remove every black juror from a jury pool during peremptory challenges, thereby not allowing black defendants a jury of their peers.

Dane DeKrey 06:09

So that's illegal but it's actually somewhat difficult to prove because let's say the prosecutor makes a challenge of a black juror and Bruce and I think it's not for any reason other than the color of their skin.

Dane DeKrey 06:21

We can say to the judge, Your Honor, we like a Batson challenge or we like a Batson explanation and then the prosecutor has to give a non race -based reason for why they're striking them.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 06:32

Importantly, though, Tyler, that can actually be used against the defense as well. If I'm trying a case in a county that has a lot of Native Americans, and I'm representing a Native American, and if I strike a white juror, a juror who's not Native, if I don't have a race or an immutable characteristic, neutral reason for striking that juror, the prosecutor might have a bats and challenge against the defense.

Tyler Axness 06:57

The line of questioning out in New York, of course we weren't a part of the jury, we weren't a part of the defense, we're just kind of speculating here. I know part of it was, okay, where do you get your news from?

Tyler Axness 07:06

And I asked that in a high profile situation, you've got high profile clients of yours, is that important how close jury members may pay attention to the news? If they're very fluent in what news reports of something a client may have allegedly done, does that make it more apt for you to say, we don't want that person?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 07:26

Well, it depends. I tried a case a number of years ago in Clay County where my client was on the front page of the Saturday paper here in this community. And I'm trying the case on the subsequent Tuesday.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 07:38

His face was on there and he was charged with a particularly odious crime. And we inquired of the entire panel and only one person had even seen the article. So it's not so much how informed people are with the news, although that does matter.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 07:54

Where they get their news informs us about the kinds of values that they have and the way that they think about information. Interesting.

Speaker 3 08:04

Yeah, I do think, and this is something that is important. I watched probably some of the trial more than Bruce did. I do think that the defense lawyers and maybe even the prosecutors in that case were not as forward thinking and maybe strategic with their questions, because that's pretty low hanging fruit to ask the question, where do you watch your news?

Speaker 3 08:27

You're not going to get much out of prospective jurors with that, and if you do, it's still somewhat stereotypical stuff like, oh, if you listen to Fox News, you're going to be on Trump's side. If you listen to MSNBC, we want you.

Speaker 3 08:38

Well, that doesn't do you any good for the peremptory section, because none of that's going to get you a cause challenge, and so the next level of jury selection is what Bruce talked about, which is deselection, and it's thinking very deeply about things that matter the most to the trial, that get to deep inner human emotions, that it doesn't matter what news you watch.

Speaker 3 09:01

If you ask the right question, it gets to the heart of who that juror is for the theory of defense in your case or the theory of prosecution.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 09:09

And a good example of that, Tyler, is the last trial that Dane and I had. Our client had a very specific characteristic, and that characteristic, his nationality, is correlated with a certain stereotype.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 09:24

And so it's not a racial characteristic, it's a nationality characteristic. And I had to inquire of the jury about that and figure out who shared that stereotype. And we were able to find someone for whom it was really, really bothersome, and that allowed us to get that person taken off of the jury.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 09:42

It also caused conversation amongst the rest of the prospective jurors, so we had a better read on how they might think about that.

Tyler Axness 09:50

Is it equal parts prosecution and defense when it comes to the final selection of the jury or not the case? That's probably such a naive question, but I think maybe you get what I'm building to here.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 10:01

And it depends on the jurisdiction. So for example, in Minnesota State Court, both sides get an equal amount of time to actually inquire of the jury panel, or the veneer as it's called. In the end, the defense gets five strikes and the prosecution gets three strikes.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 10:18

Presumably that provides a little bit of advantage to the defense. Now, the state already has an overwhelming advantage in the sense that they actually called the case and they usually have almost all of the evidence.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 10:28

But it depends on the jurisdiction. In Maine, for example, you don't even get to ask, you don't get any jury selection opportunity at all. You can strike jurors at the end, but you don't get to ask them these sort of detailed questions.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 10:41

In federal court here in the District of North Dakota, I've done jury selection in state court for six hours before, but in federal court, 10 minutes.

Tyler Axness 10:51

Dana Cray, Bruce Ringstrom Jr., it's a lot awkward to take your questions at 35270. I have one more question related to this and that change of venue was brought up just briefly when we come back. We'll get your answers next.

Tyler Axness 11:03

It's a lot of talk, Bruce Ringstrom Jr., Dana Cray taking your questions. I got some great ones coming in about DNA from Ancestry .com. Another one about a jury though, that's kind of the topic we have this half hour.

Tyler Axness 11:14

Itali, can you ask if a 52 -page document for the jurors to understand is over the top? I was on a jury that had four pages and we as a jury had questions on it. So a 52 pages is that over the top when it comes to questions for juries?

Speaker 3 11:32

You would hope so, but the counter to that is we just had our recent trial that Bruce mentioned and I think ours was in the 30 pages and the big difference in the case that I think they're talking about, obviously the Trump case is you don't get to bring that back with you to the jury room in New York.

Speaker 3 11:48

And that surprised me. In our case in federal court in North Dakota, it was 30 pages. The judge read it all in advance. It takes a very long time. You can see people's eyes gloss over because you're here in a lot of high level topics, some redundancies it feels like, but we know that at least they're going to take it back to the jury room and be able to look at it.

Speaker 3 12:08

So I was not surprised at all that that jury in New York came back and asked for some clarifying questions from the 52 page document with legal ease that they couldn't bring back with them.

Tyler Axness 12:20

Bruce, anything to add to that?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 12:22

I expect jurors to go back with the instructions. To me, it strikes me as odd that they wouldn't have that. These people are not familiar with the specific laws, and this is how they stay on task.

Tyler Axness 12:38

Final question on this that's kind of related to this charm trial, then we'll move on. People had said, well, there should have been a change of venue. Bruce, you were talking about the fact that New York, you don't want to have the makeup if there's somewhere else, maybe a different jury pool.

Tyler Axness 12:51

What's the threshold to get a change of venue?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 12:54

Well, I wouldn't know how one would do it when the defendant is the most well -known person in the country, but certainly if we do a poll of the local community, we find that all of these people know about an alleged crime and are intrinsically biased against our client, we can put that information in a motion and ask the judge for a change of venue for a different county, for example.

Dane DeKrey 13:19

Yeah. In Trump's case, it's very difficult because no matter where you go, everyone answers that same way. And so then it becomes forum shopping arguments, oh, we should have it in Texas. Well, obviously, because that supports Donald Trump there, perhaps, oh, let's keep it in Manhattan.

Dane DeKrey 13:32

And so I think the judge realized there's never going to be a great way to slice this baloney. And so it might as well be in Manhattan because that's where it's at. And I know they went for it. I know his lawyers tried it.

Dane DeKrey 13:43

And so they are very top end lawyers. They would have made the best arguments that Bruce just mentioned. But a very notorious client makes it unique.

Tyler Axness 13:52

Send in your questions, 3 -5 -2 -7 -0, then the final half hour will answer them. About the DNA, we'll ask about the guy that was driving in, zoomed in a court, suspended license or not. We'll get that answer when we come back.

Tyler Axness 14:04

Law Talk, Bruce Ringstrom Jr., Dane DeKrey, we'll get you the phone lines for you before the end of the show here at 5 o 'clock. Okay, one more question about juries because we just heard during the KFGO News Update, $120 ,000 in a bag, which is like a gift bag.

Tyler Axness 14:19

I thought it was a duffel bag. I've watched too many movies because it felt like it was something that you'd see on a movie, to a juror, and then having that juror excuse, have you guys ever heard anything like this?

Tyler Axness 14:30

Bruce?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 14:32

I saw a mob movie once. There was a case in the mid 90s in Florida, a big drug case with like five or six of the biggest criminal Defense attorneys in the country at the time, Roy Black and Albert Krieger and names that mean a lot to guys like me.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 14:48

A juror got bought off and eventually one of the defendants who was acquitted was ultimately charged with jury tampering and convicted of jury tampering, but that's the only one and I saw that on Netflix.

Tyler Axness 15:00

Netflix.

Speaker 3 15:03

I talked to one of the lawyers who represents one of the defendants in the case and Those defendants are represented by the blue chip of the Minnesota criminal defense bar This man has practiced for probably 30 years federal court some of the most notorious cases and he just texted me last night briefly and said, "of all of the years of my practice yesterday was today was the craziest day I've ever seen" he said everybody was literally learning as they went and nobody knew what was happening next or they couldn't believe it as it was unfolding It is wild.

Tyler Axness 15:39

It happened before their closing arguments, I imagine you guys as defense attorneys would really enjoy that being, uh, sucking all the oxygen out of the room of your closing arguments now shrouded in the fact that there was somebody trying to be bought off.

Dane DeKrey 15:52

I just can't imagine unringing this bell if they try what the appeals will be all of it is just it's it's a it's a true nuclear bomb into this case.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 16:03

Well it's crazy because I think all the defendants are now in custody without any due process. We don't know who did this but like they all just get vacuumed up into jail and I believe that the jury is now sequestered like O .J.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 16:16

Simpson living in a hotel or something.

Tyler Axness 16:20

What's the threshold? That was easy for me to say, for mistrial. Somebody asked that for you guys yesterday when I was teasing that you're coming on today. I mean, they said, how could this not be a mistrial?

Tyler Axness 59:59

Ask your lawyer guys tomorrow.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 16:31

Well, there can be a lot of reasons for mistrial. There has to be a fundamental defect so grave that it either impedes the ability of the state to get a fair trial, or it violates the due process rights of the defendant such that nothing can be fixed.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 16:46

I don't know what they're gonna do here. It's been such a long trial. I think the judge is putting themselves in a very precarious position because nobody really understands in this district, in the District of Minnesota, what to do here.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 16:59

We don't have mob trials in the District of Minnesota.

Dane DeKrey 17:02

If there wasn't extra jurors, if they hadn't sat some alternates, this would probably make a mistrial because you couldn't sit a full jury. But this is one of the times where if you're an alternate juror, you get to sit through a whole case and then everybody gets walking in the little room and they're like, ah, not you.

Dane DeKrey 17:20

And so most of the time, in our case, we felt bad. You almost go apologize to them because you think you sat here the whole time and you don't get to be a part of it.

Tyler Axness 17:31

Well it's their time to to shine baby. questions in for you 35270 I cannot believe that it is legal for law enforcement to access DNA from ancestry .com or 23andme to attempt crimes is what this comes in well just read it as it comes in.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 17:46

That's a failure of imagination because you should believe it, it does happen. In the old days, they used to be able to just do it, and Dane can talk more about this. Now there are more restrictions.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 17:57

You can consent when you fill out the form to letting law enforcement access your data, but typically they need like a search warrant or a subpoena now.

Dane DeKrey 18:08

It's a product of advocates in the space identifying this issue and fixing it. It also happened with ring cameras. So before, when you would get a ring camera, tucked in the service terms would be something to the effect of, we can give this to the police if they ask us.

Dane DeKrey 18:23

I don't know about external versus internal. That's probably a different analysis. But similarly, these 23andMe's, they would basically put in that terms of service that nobody reads, nobody looks at that says, if we're reached out to by the police and they ask for your DNA, we can give it to them.

Dane DeKrey 18:40

And so once people figured this out, there was sort of a backlash and an uproar that this is my privacy. I don't consent to that because I just wanted it. Same with ring. And so they've changed, in our opinion, for the better so that now there's a higher standard that these companies can't just give it on their own.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 18:57

There was a case early on with Ring where a bicyclist was driving by a house where somebody had gotten murdered and law enforcement just pulled the Ring data and this guy became the number one suspect for a long time and his life was ripped inside out.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 19:11

He was 100% factually innocent. So there are more restrictions on all these data.

Tyler Axness 19:17

On the flip side of that, as criminal defense attorneys, there has been people that have been locked up that had not committed the crime and DNA all these years later have proven they're innocent. So I'm curious your reaction.

Tyler Axness 19:29

The way I read into what you just said is there's a process that should be taken to get there.

Dane DeKrey 19:35

Yeah, I think if you give 23andMe your DNA and the contract offers you an opt -in where you want to put your DNA out there to either, I guess, incriminate yourself one day possibly or help solve crimes tangentially, I'm not a DNA expert, I think that's fine.

Dane DeKrey 19:52

My issue, and I think the advocates in this space, their issue was that it was happening without your knowledge or your consent.

Tyler Axness 19:59

We were talking before, I was just switching gears here, and if you have any questions or additions to that, 35270, so I can join the conversation, there was a high profile situation that just played out this week about a guy that called into court while he was driving, which I wouldn't advise doing, but then it turned into this whole national conversation of he was driving with a suspended license, gets in trouble, and then it turns out that, whoops, that was an error on our part.

Tyler Axness 20:28

Your reaction to that, Bruce.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 20:31

Well, yeah, it's a bad look if you show up for court on Zoom for driving without a license and you appear to be operating your motor vehicle, the judge was a little bit apoplectic. As you said, in the fullness of time, it was realized that the guy had a valid license.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 20:47

Now, we have and do represent certain high profile clients and sometimes information about those cases gets out into the media and gets radically misinterpreted, for example. We have a client, there was a document from the government that seemed to imply they were found with drugs.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 21:06

And so all of these breathless articles were written about how this person had drugs. It was a boilerplate sentence and it was completely misinterpreted. There's a reason we have due process. There's a reason we take facts, evidence, and proof seriously and everybody should let the process play out.

Tyler Axness 21:24

I want to point out that you said articles, not like broadcast journalists.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 21:30

There was this clown, I think his initials were T .A. I don't re-

Tyler Axness 21:32

All those dang articles that were written, just want to underscore that. Dane, you're about to add something.

Dane DeKrey 21:38

Well, I want to close the loop on that guy from Michigan, and this is something that Adam Martin is one of the things He advocates related to mug shots

Tyler Axness 21:48

F5 project for those of you that aren't familiar, Adam Martin.

Dane DeKrey 21:51

And that's the thing is, look, I watched that video, I dunked on that guy, I thought it was hilarious that you would dare call in, and the whole scenario, the whole internet did, people on late night television did.

Dane DeKrey 22:04

But I'll tell you what you're probably not gonna see on the back end is any retraction, any apology, any explanation. This dude's life hopefully gets just back on track, but it was ruined for days, and that's also what happens in mugshot cases, when you're ultimately found guilty, or it's dropped.

Dane DeKrey 22:21

We as a society have a shiny object syndrome problem, and we love to laugh, and we love to dunk, and we love to jump to conclusions, but we are far less likely to go back and be like, eat a little crow.

Dane DeKrey 22:33

And so, I'm sorry for this guy. I laughed at him, and I posted about it yesterday, and I think it's good, and it's a lesson for all of criminal defense. Oftentimes, it does turn out to be what it is.

Dane DeKrey 22:44

That's a fair part of our job. But because there is enough times when it's not, it's a little dangerous to get out there and put your stake in the ground and not be ready for some of these moments.

Tyler Axness 22:55

There is one you, Dane, were a part of that whole situation when it comes to the situation out in Bismarck, in Burleigh County, in which there was all the articles, everything that was written about a mother that was charged with the death of her newborn, and it wasn't true.

Tyler Axness 23:12

That's going to live in infamy.

Dane DeKrey 23:14

Right now and Bruce was involved in that too. It's very important for me to say that he was integral in that and I don't know how much you've been following and it's probably not exactly apples to apples But just last week the state supreme court reversed another similar case Against a similar prosecutor for similar conduct related to a similar medical examiner where the person was found guilty Of harming their child killing their child and the supreme court reversed the conviction for not the exact reasons but similar and I want to highlight that because I think there's a fundamental problem in some of the ways that law is practiced by that attorney's office in Bismarck

Tyler Axness 23:55

Gotta get a weather update from Too Tall Tom Schmancy. We'll come back, conclude this month's rendition of La Toc. I got other questions coming in about juries. We'll get those when we come back. Question comes in for Bruce Ringstrom Junior, Dane DeKrey about the Minnesota case, the Feeding Our Future, about $120,000.

Tyler Axness 24:11

In the Minnesota case, they're wondering, is there any way to track the $120 ,000?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 24:18

Well, they're doing their best that they can right now to track it. Dane mentioned to me before that within hours, the FBI had secured countless search warrants to try and get things. I suspect, have no evidence right now, but they're probably gonna do what's called a geofence warrant.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 24:32

That is to say they will get cell site data from the cell site closest to where the cache was dropped and basically do a dragnet and gather up all the cell phones that were connected to that, probably use some tricky computer things, artificial intelligence to window it down.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 24:48

More likely than not, they will figure out where this cache came from.

Dane DeKrey 24:52

They'll be pushing the limits of the Fourth Amendment because it's such an egregious violation in their opinion of the fairness of a trial or just the sanctity of trial. We have seen these in history where these cataclysmic issues, and this isn't 9 -11, this isn't things like that, but I would just be wary to watch about how your Fourth Amendment gets a little malleable in these situations.

Tyler Axness 25:15

Somebody's asking what happens to the $120,000 in cold hard cash.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 25:21

Once everything gets litigated, if the government still has the cash, there's a couple of options that can go into a general fund. Very often, law enforcement will have an asset forfeiture fund where they'll maybe donate things.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 25:35

They'll buy fund new equipment. Who knows? Maybe they'll build a volleyball sandpit for the FBI agent, something like that.

Tyler Axness 25:44

I'm sure that one pleased a lot of your law enforcement friends listening right now. It's a good way to end this with a lot of talk. They can text you personally on that one. Yeah, they can text me personally.

Tyler Axness 25:52

But when people want to reach out to you for your criminal defense expertise, how are they going to hold you guys?

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 25:59

Well, you can certainly go online, ringstromdecray .com. You can also call us 218 -284 -0484, 218 -284 -0484. Our main office is in Moorhead. We also have a satellite office in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Tyler Axness 26:13

Very good. You guys have been always fun. I was a pleasure learning a little bit more about what's going on in the news and of course people asking questions about what is in fact going on because we always hear, I mean yesterday you should have saw the text messages about juries that I was getting and of course when they hear it from other politicians which I know you guys have experience with when it comes to profiles and having a client that's both a public figure in public office and then trying to find away from those articles, underscore articles or how you get to you know that fair trial there.

Tyler Axness 26:41

So it's a lot of work but I appreciate you guys coming in and peeling back some of the layers for us.

Bruce Ringstrom Jr 26:45

We're happy to be here, Tyler.

Tyler Axness 26:46

We'll do this again next month on the first Wednesday. How's that sound? Unless you guys have other work that comes up again.

Dane DeKrey 26:53

No, yeah, we are gearing up for another trial. I think about a month ago we were telling you this is the summer of trials, so tomorrow we have a big motion hearing about some stuff in the case, otherwise we would have been here tomorrow and we will be back on Wednesday going forward unless something more important.

Dane DeKrey 27:12

Yeah, more important than just talking.

Tyler Axness 27:13

Talking to me, that's defending you. That's what they do. So if you find yourself on the wrong side of the law, that's, quite frankly, who you want to call is Ringstorm Decray law. Tomorrow, we got a full lineup for you again.

Tyler Axness 27:25

We did have some reports about some cell phone issues, telephone issues today. Derek Hanson's got the draft time news coming up here in about four minutes, and he might have more information for you.

Tyler Axness 27:37

But folks, I'm looking at the clock, and this is it for me today. I'm Tyler Aksis, your host here on Afternoon's Live. I'll be back for more of the show tomorrow. I'm telling you, drive safely, you take care of yourself.

Tyler Axness 27:47

I'll check in right here on 790 AM, 94 .1 and 104 .7 FM, KFGO.